MSFS 2020 40th Anniversary Build & Helicopters Tips for Joystick Axis binding

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Re: MSFS 2020 40th Anniversary Build & Helicopters Tips for Joystick Axis binding

#52 Post by Keith Baxter »

Hi,

This came across my FB feed. Quite interesting how xplane is loosing ground to MSFS

https://navigraph.com/blog/survey2022?f ... q4jor8p14M


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Hi,

Judging from the Navigraph survey I would be surprised if Xplane survives another 2 years. They really have to fire some old wood and get new thinking. Else they would be done and dusted.

Their model is great but all else fails IMHO.

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I'm not sure how concerned they are if they rely on professional users. But the question is how much of their revenue comes from professional (or serious training simmers for that matter) and how much from consumers.

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Ralph wrote: Fri Dec 23, 2022 4:59 pm I'm not sure how concerned they are if they rely on professional users. But the question is how much of their revenue comes from professional (or serious training simmers for that matter) and how much from consumers.
Hi yes,

I see more and more enthusiasts moving over to MSFS. Not much happening on the xplane side for instrument and panel requests but heeps when a new MSFS airframe becomes available.
I know where my attention will be if I had a sim involved business. :mrgreen:

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Re: MSFS 2020 40th Anniversary Build & Helicopters Tips for Joystick Axis binding

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Keith Baxter wrote: Fri Dec 23, 2022 5:12 pm

I see more and more enthusiasts moving over to MSFS. Not much happening on the xplane side for instrument and panel requests but heeps when a new MSFS airframe becomes available.
I know where my attention will be if I had a sim involved business. :mrgreen:

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On a more serious note -
Most of the 'requests' are more than likely not possible with MSFS and AM. This situation will continue to degrade as more and more developers write custom code to get around the severe limitations of the game. AM does not support that custom code in most cases.
MSFS is more the GTA5 of games. It has pretty graphics (in some places) but the realism is (without very specific and custom code) horrendous.
Not something to really lose sleep about.
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Ralph wrote: Fri Dec 23, 2022 4:59 pm I'm not sure how concerned they are if they rely on professional users. But the question is how much of their revenue comes from professional (or serious training simmers for that matter) and how much from consumers.
Only in one area really - 'prosim'
That is the area that money can be made from MSFS for the professional business users in the very limited offerings that they (prosim) hold (738 / AB etc.

As far as the non heavy sims which I am sure will use Prosim along with msfs for graphics (completely bypassing the msfs crap) then the rest ? - no, msfs is just nice graphics with no substance.

Prosim would be the one to get into as far as development goes - but that is only my opinion of course - and is 90% limited to hardware.
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Ralph wrote: Fri Dec 23, 2022 4:59 pm I'm not sure how concerned they are if they rely on professional users. But the question is how much of their revenue comes from professional (or serious training simmers for that matter) and how much from consumers.
Hi Ralph, if you are talking about MSASOBO then I doubt little is made in any 'professional' way as they rely on 'churn'
As said, the only 'serious/ training sims using MSASOBO are relying on PROSIM primarily and I do not see MSASOBO making any money from that - even if they did, along with the custom code the royalties would be minimal to non existent due to the original content percentage.
ALL future and upcoming ones will rely on MSASOBO for graphics (often modified also to be more realistic especially in autogen) and custom code for interfacing to get around the horrendous base code for the actual simulation of flight. I don't even know if they have a business model for this ? - I doubt it as I have seen nothing to support this unless you know differently ?

We can only hope that it ends in a unified 3rd party interface that an be exploited, but I VERY MUCH doubt it. It would be interesting where and if SI were to pick certain up and coming (or indeed already established) titles that had perceived longevity and were to write their own interface code for support as no unified interface appears to be on the horizon or indeed, ever will be.

As for the abovementioned 'survey' by 'navigraph. it really is meaningless as it shows the true meaning of 'lies, bloody lies, and statistics. :lol:
Leading questions, inexperienced respondents and a very healthy dose of social media playground standard playground influencing - they even list their bank roll supporters.
The questions on VR are most illuminating (pun intended)
The oldest tricks in the book.

Statistics and BS 101 - as in... (yes, it is exaggerated like their claims, but for an example of utter BS)

if 1% of people replied to a leading question as to IF they they used a product that made them enlarge their 'arm (for instance ;) )'....

and.... of those, 16.2% used our 'african tribesman special cream'

and 64% used our 'discount' blue pill,

then the conclusion is that, of our respondents, Greater than 80% used the top 2 versions of the 'enlarge your arm' product and by a huge ( :roll: ) 64% the 'blue pill' was the most used. (so go out and buy it NOW!)

A pay as you go survey believed and trusted by the gullible.

Pah Humbug as Shakespeare would say to the seasons greetings and ridiculous and paid for - and distorted - surveys designed by marketing people, paid for marketing people and answered mostly by the gullible . The most gullible who then pass on their interpretation of the 'results'

Obviously it is utter crap as the red pill is the best :shock: :?
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Re: MSFS 2020 40th Anniversary Build & Helicopters Tips for Joystick Axis binding

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Hi Joe, I guess Ralph's answer was rather on LR side

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SimPassion wrote: Sun Dec 25, 2022 1:41 pm Hi Joe, I guess Ralph's answer was rather on LR side
Hello Gilles my friend and joyeux Noël. :D
Yes, when I look at it again - and depending how you read it, you could very well be correct.
Unfortunately it doesnt seem to change the - what appears to me be fact - that MSASOBO are digging a hole they cannot get out of and we are going to end up with the 'best' representations of realistic aircraft being custom coded with absolutely no set standard that I don't (yet) see how AM can keep up with ?

XP 12, yes, I am disappointed by the lack of truth in the 'Austin' presentations about the sim and what we get which is really just a slight update to 11.5x.
I think it may become a very difficult period for AM with 'MESSOBO'
It is easy to support the run of the mill crap, but specialist stuff it is certainly not.
XP, there are no real limitations there apart from what it 'could have been' if the developers had delivered what they promised.
But hey ! :)
Have a great holiday and thanks for the heads up.
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