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Re: Touch screen problem only with switch

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Ralph wrote: Tue Nov 01, 2022 9:27 am We're most probably there every year :lol: Although I've heard that Frans, the man who does the majority of the organization, is going to quit after this year, or maybe next year. So we will have to see if someone takes over his position.
Hi @Ralph and @Corjan ,
While you are there at the show can you try and make time to have a quick chat to Jose and the guys at Prosim AR for Air Manager support to be available please ?.
I am talking to them at the moment but it would be great if you could have a quick chat when you are both there.
It would be a fantastic addition. I believe they would be very happy to chat to you.
It would be great to be able to use Prosim 737 NG with MSFS2020 with Air Manager
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Re: Touch screen problem only with switch

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I have no idea who that would be :) Can you ask them to talk to us? We're right across them. Corjan and I are the only ones at the stand, so hard to miss. At the ProSim stand there are usually around 20 people :lol:

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Re: Touch screen problem only with switch

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Ralph wrote: Tue Nov 01, 2022 11:00 am I have no idea who that would be :) Can you ask them to talk to us? We're right across them. Corjan and I are the only ones at the stand, so hard to miss. At the ProSim stand there are usually around 20 people :lol:
Well, they seem keen to talk to you ;)
I have asked them to contact you at the show. But the chap I am speaking to is Jose Gomez. He is extremely interested in what you offer and the possibilities. You can also just ask for him by name. He will remember the conversations I have been having with him about interfacing my 737 via Air Manager to Prosim AR using MSFS. The fact that he can see AM in operation will be amazing. Simply opening up the access to the appropriate variables and events will be a perfect start from what I can see. They already use simconnect.

Fingers crossed :D
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Re: Touch screen problem only with switch

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So I understand that it all needs to go through a custom plugin? They don't offer the use of 'standard' events and variables?

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Ralph wrote: Tue Nov 01, 2022 11:31 am So I understand that it all needs to go through a custom plugin? They don't offer the use of 'standard' events and variables?
As far as I can ascertain they use 'standard events and variables' internally. Up until now it would appear (in my opinion) that they have not considered a need for people using their own custom hardware as a lot of people will buy off the shelf commercial offerings. Conversely of course there are also a lot of people who would rather not buy very expensive and very limited hardware I/O solutions and hence are put off the already high entry price. There hasn't, up until now, been a solution like AM as it is unique.
I think that everything is basically there. It just needs exposing to the outside world. AM can fill in a huge gaping hole in flexibility and functionality.
For someone building a 737 cockpit, for example, then the best of all worlds become possible as a choice may then be FS2020 for graphics. Prosim AR for the flight modelling and incredibly detailed systems modelling to the very highest level and the Air Manager to allow the absolute optimal interfacing and customisation of hardware I/O. and any specialist instrumentation or systems interaction.
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We will be at the network event on Saturday evening, so that can be an opportunity as well.

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Re: Touch screen problem only with switch

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Ralph wrote: Tue Nov 01, 2022 1:08 pm We will be at the network event on Saturday evening, so that can be an opportunity as well.
Excellent, I will pass that on.
In my opinion the beauty of 'Prosim' with Air Manager is that a user can take a whole combination and mismatch of parts and build the final solution and, for some items, simply click on the item in the hardware connector menu of Prosim, or roll up the sleeves and program with AM or even just download ready made solutions from the AM store. AM can be used for the whole I/O or for just a small part of it. That is total flexibility. For example, I have a flightdeck solutions FMC which I can simply click a checkbox to connect. On the MIP there are several SISMO complete hardware units as in the Chronos and the 6 packs and a few others. These are driven by an old Sismo Ethernet motherboard and various daughterboards but are extremely limited in functionality. However, the parts that ARE sourced from sismo can also be hooked up via a simple checkbox in prosim. Then the rest of the hardware such as the OHP is from kits of parts from 'prosimparts' (no connection to prosim ar) and has no pcbs so needs to be driven by hardware for the I/O. the MCP / EFIS are also from various panel kits and do not contain driver i/o hardware. The complete pedestal is the same. ALL those parts that are assembled from kits and diy parts and some from plain panels can be easily hooked up via Air Manager using simple PICO or similar units, or if needed of course, the amazing messageport allowing virtually ANY hardware. This only needs access to the simvars and events that Prosim use so once written and debugged in AM - as we do already then another checkbox for 'Air Manager general I/O' can be clicked in the hardware connector and prosim is then accessible to AM and a solution is complete, but, unlike almost all commercial hardware we can change the operation and functionality as required with small code or hardware changes. Perfect!. Ready made hardware will happily coexist alongside fully custom hardware using basic off the shelf items. Then of course, Standby instruments or any hardware graphic instruments that are stand alone or ready made and via AM ;) can also be simply added - also at the click of a checkbox. Everything can co-exist. In the future, I am sure AM will be supporting more hardware general I/O units similar to the old mega etc, for example, the amazing STM32 Nucleo 144 we have mentioned before. Over 100 I/O as standard, less than 25 dollars and light years ahead of mega, and, full arduino IDE support so future proofing is built in should you guys ever decide to expand the hardware options. I plan on adding a range of hardware addons using a simple PICO via AM MP that can be added such as full AM support of WS2812B RGB addressable led units (neopixels). Using this system then a complete set of high power annunciators for a complete Boeing or Airbus cockpit can be driven via one single pin of one single PICO and any and all annunciators have full individual RGB and brightness (luminance) control and addressing in real time. Imagine every annunciator in a complete cockpit driven by a single pin of a single 4 dollar PICO. All running on AM (all via free add on code to AM users to flash their own 4 dollar pico! ). The options are amazing.
In the future, let's say a user buys a simple basic 'cockpit sim parts' panel kit and adds the required switches, encoders, knobs, displays etc, then perhaps someone already has programmed this with AM ?. If so, then all they need to do is assemble it and connect it to a pico or similar and when connected to prosim it will automatically function as we are addressing the simvars / events directly. Libraries of schematics, diagrams, code get built up and make it accessible to more and more at whatever level.
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I think they moved away from the consumer market a bit, so I am not sure if they will be interested in people using Arduino's and such. But we will see.

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Ralph wrote: Tue Nov 01, 2022 3:00 pm I think they moved away from the consumer market a bit, so I am not sure if they will be interested in people using Arduino's and such. But we will see.
I think it would be surprising to see how many of their customers are not operating as a business. Probably a good percentage. In the last 3 to 4 years the availability and cost of producing something of incredible quality at home has dropped dramatically bringing a completely new audience for high end simulation. Many people get more enjoyment out of the actual building of the thing than in the actual flying. I think that is the case in a huge amount of technical hobbies. Model R/C aircraft for example. The building is usually far more of the hobby than the flying. Same with home sim cockpits. It has never been more achievable than now for the normal guy. This brings along an audience that simply did not exist only a handful of years ago. I certainly get the impression from my limited talks with the guys that they are absolutely interested in the home user probably as much as the commercial business side and good business is good business and it covers, protects and optimises their customer base spread / income stream insurance very well. The beauty of AM is that it isn't just arduinos (which can have a slightly low expectation in some minds I am sure) AM is an ecosystem and totally unique.
AM is changing with the times and rapidly moved into, probably, the most cost effective and amazing I/O subsystem - the PICO. I am sure you will continue to adopt new and cost effective solutions as they become available and there is a need identified although as we know sometimes its a chicken / egg situation :D . None of the offerings on the market that use 'arduino' type interface units are suitable for use with Prosim in any meaningful way that I can see. There is only AM that makes sense. I have seen attempts at people using the some of the 'other' fsuipc type systems to link via the generic fsuipc connector in Prosim and it is horrendous. Totally impractical and a logistical nightmare. Again, AM is unique and within reason can be adapted to support ANY hardware including in house or hardware made under license if needed (hint ;) ). Eggs and chickens again. It will be very interesting to see. I can only see positive things and I am certainly not a natural optimist - far from it. ;)
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