Carenado Arrow III and GNS 430 Overlay

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Carenado Arrow III and GNS 430 Overlay

#1 Post by hucbr600 »

Hi All,

Apologies for yet another post.

I've designed a panel to including a single GNS430 (box 1) overlay and a normal nav/com (as box 2) for my sim (MSFS 2020), and linked the panel to the Carenado Arrow III.

I managed to get all the transparencies etc sorted (big thanks to Experimental Avionics YouTube Channel), and all is well until I find that despite assigning the GNS 430 overlay to GPS1, the buttons etc. control the Box 2 nav/com on the simulator. Even when I pop 2 GNS 430 overlays into the panel, both GNS 430 overlays control GPS2 in the sim, even after assigning GPS1 and GPS2 to the overlays individually in the panel configuration.

However, if I run the panel on an aircraft with one GPS and one radio - the GNS 430 overlay controls GPS1 as it should do.

Been trying to resolve this for a couple of hours and I keep getting the same issues.

Any ideas?

Hugh

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Re: Carenado Arrow III and GNS 430 Overlay

#2 Post by Sling »

Hi Hugh,

What happens if you try this with the stock C172 that has dual gps/nav/com's. If it works with that then it sounds like Carenado are doing something different. If it's also the same with the C172 then it needs further investigation. I have dual GNS's working with the C172 so it will be interesting to here your results.

Tony

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Re: Carenado Arrow III and GNS 430 Overlay

#3 Post by hucbr600 »

Hi Tony,

Great shout to try the stock Cessna - However he same result!

Grrrrrrrrr

P.S - I'm using knobster for my buttons, but tried also in mouse mode - same result!

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Re: Carenado Arrow III and GNS 430 Overlay

#4 Post by Sling »

Ah OK that at least tells us something. Not sure if it makes a difference yet but are you using the GNS mod or stock Asobo GPS? I have this working so it may be that the community GNS530/430 overlays need updating. I'll compare when i get some time.

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Re: Carenado Arrow III and GNS 430 Overlay

#5 Post by Sling »

Just tried with community GNS overlays and C172 and all seems to works fine here. Try just running in Create/edit and be sure to set the second unit to GPS2. I was changing frequencies no problem. I used the 430 for gps2 and the 530 for gps1 as is installed in the C172. Let me know if you can't achieve this exact same test result.

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Re: Carenado Arrow III and GNS 430 Overlay

#6 Post by hucbr600 »

OK - Some more time testing, and here what I found so far:

1. C172 stock with Air Manager 530 and 430 overlays - works fantastic :-)
2. C172 stock with twin AM 430s (working Box 1 and Box 2) - both the 430 overlays work GPS2 only regardless what is selected in instrument properties
3. Carenado Arrow III - AM 430 overlays only work GPS 2 - no 430 overlay works GPS1, however .....
4. Carenado Arrow III - AM 530 overlay works GPS1 (which s a 430 in the aircraft panel), and AM 430 overlay works GPS2

My assumptions therefore are:

The Garmin 530 overlay works ONLY GPS1 regardless of what is selected properties
The Garmin 430 overlay works ONLY GPS2 regardless what is selected in the instrument properties

Looks like the only way to get the AM panel to work in the Carenado Arrow III is to use a 530 overlay for GPS1 and a 430 overlay for GPS 2.

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Re: Carenado Arrow III and GNS 430 Overlay

#7 Post by Sling »

hucbr600 wrote: Sun Oct 31, 2021 4:13 pm OK - Some more time testing, and here what I found so far:

1. C172 stock with Air Manager 530 and 430 overlays - works fantastic :-)
2. C172 stock with twin AM 430s (working Box 1 and Box 2) - both the 430 overlays work GPS2 only regardless what is selected in instrument properties
3. Carenado Arrow III - AM 430 overlays only work GPS 2 - no 430 overlay works GPS1, however .....
4. Carenado Arrow III - AM 530 overlay works GPS1 (which s a 430 in the aircraft panel), and AM 430 overlay works GPS2

My assumptions therefore are:

The Garmin 530 overlay works ONLY GPS1 regardless of what is selected properties
The Garmin 430 overlay works ONLY GPS2 regardless what is selected in the instrument properties

Looks like the only way to get the AM panel to work in the Carenado Arrow III is to use a 530 overlay for GPS1 and a 430 overlay for GPS 2.
Ok that may be fixable. I’ll need to check the events.

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Re: Carenado Arrow III and GNS 430 Overlay

#8 Post by Sling »

Can you give this a try and let me know how you go.

Generic - Garmin GNS 430 Overlay v 110.siff
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Re: Carenado Arrow III and GNS 430 Overlay

#9 Post by hucbr600 »

Sorry to report - exactly the same.

I'm no code expert, but does the first line below not force the overlay into GPS2?

gps_no = user_prop_add_enum("Selected GPS unit","GPS 1,GPS 2","GPS 2","Select GPS Unit to control")
rxp_ctrl = user_prop_add_enum("Type","Default,Reality XP","Default","For X-Plane select default or Reality XP")
local g_unit = fif(user_prop_get(gps_no)=="GPS 1", 1, 2)
local fs_unit = fif(user_prop_get(gps_no)=="GPS 1", "530", "430")
local g_ctrl = fif(user_prop_get(rxp_ctrl)=="Default", 1, 2)

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Re: Carenado Arrow III and GNS 430 Overlay

#10 Post by Sling »

That code is just the initial value seen in the selection box but when the selection is changed to 1, then it will operate the number 1 unit.

It works here. How do you have all the settings selected?Did you try with the C172 again? I only tested with the C172. I don’t have the arrow.

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